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E' un grasso pesante appiccicoso, fatto per conservare la catena, non per usarla.

Quanti lubrificanti di quella consistenza vendono per la manutenzione della catena? Nessuno.

Io la sgrasso con uno sgrassante della MucOff, la asciugo con l'aria compressa e poi la lubrifico con l'olio secco che uso normalmente.
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BikeRumor: What is Shimano’s official stance on the chain lube that comes stock on a shimano chain? Is it actually a lube, or a grease? And is it best to leave it on until the chain gets noisy and relube, or strip it right away and relube before riding?

Nick Murdick - Shimano Product Manager: So that brings us to lubrication. I mentioned that the chain wears because of friction as the chain moves to wrap around a gear. Well, that friction is reduced if there is lube on the chain. If there is dirt mixed in, the lube makes a bigger difference in reducing friction. If there is water mixed in, the lube helps displace the water. The grease that comes on a Shimano chain is applied at the factory to the individual pieces before the chain is assembled. The grease does a better job of reducing friction than aftermarket chain lubes and it lasts longer. The main reason we use liquid chain lube, whether it is one that stays liquid or a dry lube that has a solid lubricant in a liquid carrier (like a PTFE lube) is because we need to get the lube on a part that is not accessible without disassembling the chain. So the best thing to do when installing a new chain is to leave the factory grease on, not apply any other lube, ride until it wears out and then start applying liquid chain lube. In dusty conditions you can wipe off the outside of the new chain with a rag that is wet with a gentle degreaser to keep dirt from sticking to the grease. The factory grease also keeps the chain nice and quiet. After soaking a chain in degreaser and then lubing the chain with liquid lubricant the chain gets noticeably louder.

Shimano does not have an official recommended chain lube. They all seem to work pretty good. Different people have different preferences and different conditions require different lubes.

So there you have it. You absolutely should leave the original chain grease in place for best performance, and there are differences in construction that were necessary to make up for the narrower 10 speed chain. So far, those differences seem to be working as the 10 speed groups are still slightly better as far as wear, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the end!
 
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PKMic ha scritto:
E' un grasso pesante appiccicoso, fatto per conservare la catena, non per usarla.

Quanti lubrificanti di quella consistenza vendono per la manutenzione della catena? Nessuno.

Io la sgrasso con uno sgrassante della MucOff, la asciugo con l'aria compressa e poi la lubrifico con l'olio secco che uso normalmente.
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Ti ha già risposto @jacknipper postando quel che dice ufficialmente shimano e se ne era già parlato nel thread lubrificanti catena, quel grasso viene applicato a caldo quindi penetra come farebbe la paraffina scaldata che diviene liquida ed è uno dei migliori lubrificanti che si possono applicare alla catena.. tutti gli altri sono palliativi con i loro pro e contro.
 
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jacknipper ha scritto:
BikeRumor: What is Shimano’s official stance on the chain lube that comes stock on a shimano chain? Is it actually a lube, or a grease? And is it best to leave it on until the chain gets noisy and relube, or strip it right away and relube before riding?

Nick Murdick - Shimano Product Manager: So that brings us to lubrication. I mentioned that the chain wears because of friction as the chain moves to wrap around a gear. Well, that friction is reduced if there is lube on the chain. If there is dirt mixed in, the lube makes a bigger difference in reducing friction. If there is water mixed in, the lube helps displace the water. The grease that comes on a Shimano chain is applied at the factory to the individual pieces before the chain is assembled. The grease does a better job of reducing friction than aftermarket chain lubes and it lasts longer. The main reason we use liquid chain lube, whether it is one that stays liquid or a dry lube that has a solid lubricant in a liquid carrier (like a PTFE lube) is because we need to get the lube on a part that is not accessible without disassembling the chain. So the best thing to do when installing a new chain is to leave the factory grease on, not apply any other lube, ride until it wears out and then start applying liquid chain lube. In dusty conditions you can wipe off the outside of the new chain with a rag that is wet with a gentle degreaser to keep dirt from sticking to the grease. The factory grease also keeps the chain nice and quiet. After soaking a chain in degreaser and then lubing the chain with liquid lubricant the chain gets noticeably louder.

Shimano does not have an official recommended chain lube. They all seem to work pretty good. Different people have different preferences and different conditions require different lubes.

So there you have it. You absolutely should leave the original chain grease in place for best performance, and there are differences in construction that were necessary to make up for the narrower 10 speed chain. So far, those differences seem to be working as the 10 speed groups are still slightly better as far as wear, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the end!
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Spot on!
 
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inoltre quelle di Pogacar hanno la scritta "ULTRA" rossa e non bronzo
 
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PKMic ha scritto:
E' un grasso pesante appiccicoso, fatto per conservare la catena, non per usarla.

Quanti lubrificanti di quella consistenza vendono per la manutenzione della catena? Nessuno.

Io la sgrasso con uno sgrassante della MucOff, la asciugo con l'aria compressa e poi la lubrifico con l'olio secco che uso normalmente.
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per conservarla basta un "film" di WD40 sulla superficie, del resto significa “Water Displacement, 40th formula” ideato per proteggere dalla ruggine.
 
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jacknipper ha scritto:
So there you have it. You absolutely should leave the original chain grease in place for best performance, and there are differences in construction that were necessary to make up for the narrower 10 speed chain. So far, those differences seem to be working as the 10 speed groups are still slightly better as far as wear, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the end!
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10 speed chain? Di quanti anni fa è questa intervista?

Comunque io nella catena shimano 11v serie ultegra comprata recentemente ho lasciato il grasso originale, la catena all’inizio era effettivamente piu’ silenziosa, pero’ non mi è durato nemmeno una settimana, dopo sole 3 uscite la catena ha cominciato a cigolare, mentre con il grasso che metto io normalmente tiro almeno 5 o 6 uscite
 
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jacknipper ha scritto:
BikeRumor: What is Shimano’s official stance on the chain lube that comes stock on a shimano chain? Is it actually a lube, or a grease? And is it best to leave it on until the chain gets noisy and relube, or strip it right away and relube before riding?

Nick Murdick - Shimano Product Manager: So that brings us to lubrication. I mentioned that the chain wears because of friction as the chain moves to wrap around a gear. Well, that friction is reduced if there is lube on the chain. If there is dirt mixed in, the lube makes a bigger difference in reducing friction. If there is water mixed in, the lube helps displace the water. The grease that comes on a Shimano chain is applied at the factory to the individual pieces before the chain is assembled. The grease does a better job of reducing friction than aftermarket chain lubes and it lasts longer. The main reason we use liquid chain lube, whether it is one that stays liquid or a dry lube that has a solid lubricant in a liquid carrier (like a PTFE lube) is because we need to get the lube on a part that is not accessible without disassembling the chain. So the best thing to do when installing a new chain is to leave the factory grease on, not apply any other lube, ride until it wears out and then start applying liquid chain lube. In dusty conditions you can wipe off the outside of the new chain with a rag that is wet with a gentle degreaser to keep dirt from sticking to the grease. The factory grease also keeps the chain nice and quiet. After soaking a chain in degreaser and then lubing the chain with liquid lubricant the chain gets noticeably louder.

Shimano does not have an official recommended chain lube. They all seem to work pretty good. Different people have different preferences and different conditions require different lubes.

So there you have it. You absolutely should leave the original chain grease in place for best performance, and there are differences in construction that were necessary to make up for the narrower 10 speed chain. So far, those differences seem to be working as the 10 speed groups are still slightly better as far as wear, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the end!
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Con su il grasso originale, così appiccicoso, se si prende uno sterratino o una strada molto sporca si torna a casa con la catena che sembra un gelato con su il croccantino...

Io uso catene SRAM e se lo lascio fa un pastone che poi obbliga a pulire bene anche i pignoni.
 
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Lumi ha scritto:
10 speed chain? Di quanti anni fa è questa intervista?

Comunque io nella catena shimano 11v serie ultegra comprata recentemente ho lasciato il grasso originale, la catena all’inizio era effettivamente piu’ silenziosa, pero’ non mi è durato nemmeno una settimana, dopo sole 3 uscite la catena ha cominciato a cigolare, mentre con il grasso che metto io normalmente tiro almeno 5 o 6 uscite
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di 6-7 anni fa, comunque c'è in giro anche un video shimano tech ufficiale in cui lo ribadiscono (poi non credo che le cose siano cambiate da 10 a 11v, no?)

PKMic ha scritto:
Con su il grasso originale, così appiccicoso, se si prende uno sterratino o una strada molto sporca si torna a casa con la catena che sembra un gelato con su il croccantino...

Io uso catene SRAM e se lo lascio fa un pastone che poi obbliga a pulire bene anche i pignoni.
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infatti, se leggi, dice " In dusty conditions you can wipe off the outside of the new chain with a rag that is wet with a gentle degreaser to keep dirt from sticking to the grease"
 
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